December 12, 2001
THE ONLY BAND THAT MATTERS: MILEMARKER
The collective known as Milemarker has a vast and prolific output that encompasses much more than the average independent band: Dave Laney puts out a printed alternative media quarterly called Media Reader, Al Burian self-publishes a zine of his travels and views therefrom called Burn Collector (the first nine of which are collected into a book) and Roby Newton does traveling puppet shows and animations.
Milemarker songs cover many sociological topics, including many derived from living in our technology-driven culture. They liken their early records to video game soundtracks when compared to their live sound at the time, but the aggression shows through. You see, in the studio, Milemarker preferred to experiment with sounds and samples (playing with the irony of using technology against itself), whereas live they're more forthcoming. These two approaches finally meshed on Frigid Forms Sell and grew on the recently released Anaesthetic. The most important thing about Milemarker is that they will force you to think about things - even if you're already thinking about things. They stir the corporeal, the angst, the spiritual core and the cerebrum simultaneously. As a collective, they represent the epitome of the new paradigm of artist: one with fingers that run deep in many pies.
The Clash once called themselves 'The Only Band That Matters' and Rolling Stone once called Fugazi the same. Milemarker has earned the title through years of hard work, expansive vision and downright challenging music.
At the time of this interview, Sean Husick had just become their second drummer to leave to pursue a solo career and they were playing with Noah Leger (of Taking Pictures, the Speaking Canaries and Hurl) on drums. Core-members Al Burian and Dave Laney stepped in to answer the following questions:
frontwheeldrive: As a collective of individuals with a steady, varied and prolific output outside of the band, what is it that drives you to do so much?
Al Burian: I feel like I do the band because there is this abstract entity of a band and it wants to be realized, somehow, it wants to be a band. And then I feel like I do other things outside of the band because there are things I feel like expressing which donâ€™t necessarily fit into the agenda of what the band is expressing.
Dave Laney: I've tried to tailor my life in a fashion that allows me to spend more time on the things that I actually want to be doing. I love to play music and travel, so I play in a band. I am also horribly obsessive/compulsive, so I started a magazine which requires tons of time to be spent doing horribly mundane things. At this point, I'm actually forced to be spending my time doing these things instead of working a normal job- the mail keeps piling up and someone has to write back. Actually, I started MediaReader because I felt like the average DIY music magazine was ignoring a large part of the "community" that they advertised as covering. The idea with MR was to serve as a less specific type of magazine: not always political, not always musical, but always trying to be critical with a constructive edge to the criticism. There comes a time when you can't complain about things anymore and you just have to force yourself to pick up your own complaints and create that new thing.
Tell me about the new record, Anaesthetic: Is there a theme or specific issues addressed as there was with Frigid Forms Sell?
Al Burian: Well, itâ€™s sort of a secret theme. All of the lyrics and recording information are hidden in the packaging, so the idea is that the record initially seems to be about nothing, just a pretty object, all aesthetics. The idea is to make people pay a little more attention, sort of to involve the listener a little more actively in the process of figuring out what the record is about.
Dave Laney: The themes contained in the songs vary more, compared to FFS. I actually think that the new one is the most political and socially relevant album that we have released. That was part of the idea with hiding the lyrics as well. I think that the music more accessible on the new album, enough so that we knew we would get hell from old friends that knew the band from the get go. To go along with what we felt would probably be the first instinct from these people, we decided to try to double their reaction and make them second guess themselves later on. That was the idea anyway: have people come up and say, "new label, new sound, lyrics about love- what gives? What are you guys doing!?" When in reality I feel like we bumped it up a notch, at least on a personal level it feels like that. Where as the overwhelming theme of FFS was commodification and the dumbed-down way that we are taught to relate to others through the way that we relate to products, "Anaesthetic" contains songs about gentrification, the atrocities of textile sweat shops, modern disconnection, terminal illness and so on. I feel like throwing yourself into the mix is a big part of relating to other people, and of being able to step past sheer social commentary from the position of an untouchable critic.
There seems to be a lot of Michel Foucault's influence on Frigid Forms.
Al Burian: You are making some pretty grand assumptions there, young man. In fact, I have never read Michel Foucault. I was assigned some of his writing in college but I did not do the reading that day. My housemate claims that her entire college cultural studies major was essentially majoring in Michel Foucault, but I only remember her doing various video projects which involved wrapping herself in tin-foil. And considering that, perhaps I should investigate this Foucault fellow.
Dave Laney: Ha, ha... I, myself, years ago, had read some short thesis of Mr. Foucault, but to be honest, I can not even begin to tell you what it was about. Maybe I should, as well, do some investigating.
Richard Metzger once said that the most subversive thing one can do is to become popular. In the spirit of this quote, I have often argued in defense of bands like Rage Against the Machine, stating that - in spite of the fact that they create revenue for evil companies such as Epic/Sony - they reach and influence more kids than any activist-minded indie band (and probably lead kids to those bands eventually anyway) can. What do you (as an activist-minded indie band) think of the 'mainstream vs underground' debate and said point of view.
Al Burian: I assure you that neither Rage Against the Machine, our band, nor any other band that has ever or will ever exist has subversion in mind when seeking popularity. The pursuit of popularity has to do with deep-seated feelings of personal inadequacy, usually left over from traumatic experiences being chosen last for the kickball team in grade school or something like that. Now me, personally, I donâ€™t have any quibbles with the political platform of Rage Against the Machine, the Foo Fighters, the post-Buddhist Beastie Boys, or any of that type of music. My main concern is, when you examine the average mosh pit at one of these events, sure, those guys are all wearing Zapatista T-shirts, they all signed the Mumia petition, but take a closer look: arenâ€™t those pretty much the same guys who were picking you last for kickball back in the olden days? Everyone has a right to enjoy music, and if Rage Against the Machine is willing to handle this demographic so be it, but the point is that I donâ€™t want to be around those people. Iâ€™m not into hanging out with those guys, they werenâ€™t nice to me in grade school, Iâ€™m still bitter about the whole thing. That is the difference between "mainstream" and "underground" to me: do you want to convert the maximum number of people to cause X or T-shirt slogan Y, or do you want to help build a culture where people who feel alienated can find some commonality.
Dave Laney: That's a difficult, on-going debate. I do mostly agree with what Al said, but also think that there is some break point to the oversimplification. A lot of what I spend time doing is trying to build and support the community that I consider myself part of. There are limitations and compromises to everything, and I think it's important to distinguish between the differences of building a community and solely maintaining a community. In order to build something, you have to broaden awareness about things and reach people that already don't have the exact same political platform or ethics as yourself. This is the argument that I assume RATM would use as justification to touring with the Wu Tang Clan and going the route that they did. RATM is really a weird phenomenon case study in the history of this argument, which is another reason why people use them all the time. There is also Fugazi, who went a completely different route, built what they have by themselves, and still hit an enormous audience. Even they have to deal with a huge contigency of football player jock types at their shows, buying their records, misinterpreting their lyrics, etc., etc., but I do believe that when you look at the greater picture of the examples that both bands have set - it comes into focus very quickly that Fugazi did all this stuff with much more integrity in tact than RATM. Both of these bands are seemingly flukes of the modern rock industry, and both are hard to compare to the average indie rock band. The overbearingly truth fact is that major label ethics can be very, very sleazy. From the little bit that I've seen from friends of mine that have signed on to the major game, everything changes completely. Even in a strict financial sense, history has proven that it works out for very few bands, and even when it does, I'm not into an economy that (to quote from Steve Albini's article in the ages old MRR issue on major labels) makes the label $710,000, the producer $90,000, the manager $51,000, and, finally, the band $16,000. The real atrocity here is that the label made 45 times more than the band, and the guys getting the kickbacks off the band probably know little to nothing about the band. There have been countless articles written on this, and there have been major label bands that superceded the law, bands like Beck. But still, and keep in mind that this paragraph is only in reference to the finances and not the "artist shall have all control over her art" type thing, to go into one of these deals is a gamble that is usually lost by the band. It has, sadly, been proven over time. Which is to say that to encourage someone to be the next RATM is to encourage someone to shoot themselves in both feet. Lately I've been almost obsessing over the idea of other people making money off of me working. I quit my job and got a job at a non-profit, where there are no kickbacks to dudes in suits or higher up positions. Of course I recently got fired when I left for 3 months of tour, but I liked the place. There was no attitude, barely any superiors, and I felt good about what I was doing. In response to your question "do you think that getting famous is the ultimate act of subversion?" I say no: getting famous on your own terms is the ultimate act of subversion.
Who do you read and respect?
Al Burian: Milan Kunderaâ€™s Unbearable Lightness of Being is a good book, I also like Don DeLillo a lot, particularly White Noise. Jerry Manderâ€™s Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television is a good non-fiction choice. Orwell, Camus, Kafka, Salinger are good classics. Recently Iâ€™ve been getting really into the author John Fante.
Dave Laney: I've always been into the old Russian writers. Doestoevsky is my favorite... Tolstoy and the like... Camus (though French). Mark Twain... I know I know, all this stuff is as old as rocks, but fantastic nonetheless...
What made technology such a major theme in Milemarker songs?
Al Burian: People occasionally misinterpret our band as very Sci-Fi and future-obsessive, when this is actually not the case at all. For instance, the opening line of Frigid Forms Sell:
We keep waiting for the robots to crush us from the sky
They sneak in through our finger-tips and bleed our fingers dry.
Sounds like the press kit to The Matrix, but the giant robot has been a popular allegorical symbol since World War Two, particularly in Japanese cartoons and movies, I would say clearly representing anxiety over nuclear war. So the point there is that weâ€™re all looking for the big, instantaneous Armageddon ending (witness peopleâ€™s susceptibility to Y2K panic), while the actual dangers are right under our fingers, in the small and mundane encroachments technology makes into our daily lives. An example: I was talking to my co-worker the other day and she mentioned how she has to get a stronger prescription for her glasses. She said that the eye doctor had told her that her eyesight would continue to deteriorate unless she stopped working with computers. 'But in this day and age I donâ€™t really see how I can do that,' she said. It struck me as really crazy that this person was literally making the choice to give up her eyesight so as not to go against the status quo of technological advancement. Thatâ€™s a totally fucked up world to be living in, and this is the sort of thing that people deal with right now on a daily basis. So I think the root of any technological obsession or phobia you might pick up on just comes from being freaked out about the contemporary state of things.
Dave Laney: Al is the real technology freak. He has written most of the songs that are about such things. I've always thought that his best subjects come from observing the world around him, figuring out what makes him feel uncomfortable or alienated, and writing about that discomfort.
Anything else on which you guys are working that you would like to bring up here?
Al Burian: Dave and I are always working on some printed matter or other; the new MediaReader (Daveâ€™s magazine) should be out soon enough, and my zine Burn Collector should have a new issue out, oh, who knows when, probably not for a while. You can contact PO Box 641544 Chicago, IL 60644 for more info about these publications. Roby continues to make things at such a furious pace that anything I could mention would be outdated before I even finished typing. Sheâ€™s been contemplating putting together a video compilation of her puppet shows, which I wish she would do some day, as the world would be a kinder and more palatable place if such an object existed.
Dave Laney: The new issue of MediaReader, issue #5, should be completed by mid January and set to go on tour with MM (US tour Jan/Feb). Should be pretty exciting this time around. A bit bigger, a lot fancier, and still free...
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